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		<title>By: Inflexion Point &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spending HR Dollars Wisely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inflexion Point &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spending HR Dollars Wisely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mark.stelzner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark.stelzner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael VanDervort - I agree that the market will vet those who are less than truthful. Blogging is very self-governing in that regard. And congrats! You&#039;ve made $300 more than I have. :)

@Gerry Crispin - All great points and examples Gerry. I question whether blogs would be as compelling if they did follow a more traditional journalistic approach, and my sense is that more journalists are moving to blogging than the other way around. Thanks for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael VanDervort &#8211; I agree that the market will vet those who are less than truthful. Blogging is very self-governing in that regard. And congrats! You&#8217;ve made $300 more than I have. <img src='http://inflexionadvisors.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Gerry Crispin &#8211; All great points and examples Gerry. I question whether blogs would be as compelling if they did follow a more traditional journalistic approach, and my sense is that more journalists are moving to blogging than the other way around. Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Crispin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Crispin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation. Perhaps intentionally or unintentionally WF did its job. I&#039;m a fan of transparency but not legislation. 

As the impact of &quot;HR&quot; blogs increase as a mainstream source of information, knowledge and opinion, serious journalists among bloggers and other media will see an opportunity to &quot;out&quot; those who haven&#039;t outed themselves. Self-regulation in the media works.

While I respect and, for the most part agree, with Bill Kutik&#039;s premise that we all have conflicts of interest, some are perceived, some minor and some have very real consequences. Certainly it is an issue well beyond blogging, but transparency is a growing issue.

If you advise someone to buy stock you are selling and don&#039;t disclose it, (legality aside) you have a serious problem once hat becomes known. 

If you are touting a startup in the Staffing arena and you are on their board of advisors with the potential for turning your options into cash, you need to own up to that. ALL advisory boards should be disclosed.

If you are dissing an ATS and are consulting to a competing ATS, I think it is worth noting.

If you represent yourself as a consultant but the only solutions you&#039;ve offered are coincidentally the ones that offer you a &quot;commission&quot;, accepting money from both sides needs to be outed.

At the moment, few bloggers follow journalistic standards and few journalists attend to our space (despite the fact that 10 to 100 billion dollars is moving around -depending on who you are talking to). That could change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation. Perhaps intentionally or unintentionally WF did its job. I&#8217;m a fan of transparency but not legislation. </p>
<p>As the impact of &#8220;HR&#8221; blogs increase as a mainstream source of information, knowledge and opinion, serious journalists among bloggers and other media will see an opportunity to &#8220;out&#8221; those who haven&#8217;t outed themselves. Self-regulation in the media works.</p>
<p>While I respect and, for the most part agree, with Bill Kutik&#8217;s premise that we all have conflicts of interest, some are perceived, some minor and some have very real consequences. Certainly it is an issue well beyond blogging, but transparency is a growing issue.</p>
<p>If you advise someone to buy stock you are selling and don&#8217;t disclose it, (legality aside) you have a serious problem once hat becomes known. </p>
<p>If you are touting a startup in the Staffing arena and you are on their board of advisors with the potential for turning your options into cash, you need to own up to that. ALL advisory boards should be disclosed.</p>
<p>If you are dissing an ATS and are consulting to a competing ATS, I think it is worth noting.</p>
<p>If you represent yourself as a consultant but the only solutions you&#8217;ve offered are coincidentally the ones that offer you a &#8220;commission&#8221;, accepting money from both sides needs to be outed.</p>
<p>At the moment, few bloggers follow journalistic standards and few journalists attend to our space (despite the fact that 10 to 100 billion dollars is moving around -depending on who you are talking to). That could change.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael VanDervort</title>
		<link>http://inflexionadvisors.com/blog/2009/09/08/transparency-defending-the-hr-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-16755</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael VanDervort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I found some of the information cited in the article interesting.  I found it somewhat ironic that HR bloggers have become enough of a force to stimulate reports of scrutiny by the FCC.

I liked this point more:

This loose community of journalists, pundits and practitioners has grown in importance in the world of people management in the last five years or so. As a group, HR bloggers are breaking news, stimulating discussion and challenging the stronghold of traditional media organizations that cover human resources, including Workforce Management. 

That is what doing this shit is all about.  If anyone makes money or builds business, good for them.  If they are dirty or unethical, they will eventually get outed, although preferably not by the competition.

In order to maintain full transparency, I revealed my full earning via blogging on Twitter last night.  That amount is $300 so far this year.

Some have suggested I must change my twitter nick to @HRMoneyMachine

I am still doing the marketing research and other due diligence on that branding idea. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I found some of the information cited in the article interesting.  I found it somewhat ironic that HR bloggers have become enough of a force to stimulate reports of scrutiny by the FCC.</p>
<p>I liked this point more:</p>
<p>This loose community of journalists, pundits and practitioners has grown in importance in the world of people management in the last five years or so. As a group, HR bloggers are breaking news, stimulating discussion and challenging the stronghold of traditional media organizations that cover human resources, including Workforce Management. </p>
<p>That is what doing this shit is all about.  If anyone makes money or builds business, good for them.  If they are dirty or unethical, they will eventually get outed, although preferably not by the competition.</p>
<p>In order to maintain full transparency, I revealed my full earning via blogging on Twitter last night.  That amount is $300 so far this year.</p>
<p>Some have suggested I must change my twitter nick to @HRMoneyMachine</p>
<p>I am still doing the marketing research and other due diligence on that branding idea. <img src='http://inflexionadvisors.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mark.stelzner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark.stelzner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More terrific comments. And yes, Iâ€™ll confess I went too far on the â€œold mediaâ€ rant, but you might say I was a little worked up.

@Naomi Bloom - Both you and Phil touched on that erroneous position that blogs are dead. To the contrary, blogs are alive and well in this industry. (And in complete transparency to other readers, I did not charge you to advertise your new blog in your comment.) 

@Steve Boese - I agree 100% with your point that equal footing requires equal scrutiny. This is why I was quick to call out the â€œfaultsâ€ in WFâ€™s own disclosure. However, this all assumes that readers are being duped to some nefarious end. Iâ€™d like to believe that consumers of content (traditional or otherwise) have a working brain and know how to use it. Kevin Grossman does a great job of describing the marketâ€™s ability to sort this out in his post yesterday (http://tinyurl.com/nj8dnh). Thanks for the comment Steve.

@Laurie Ruettimann - The editorial intentions are a bit questionable and the entire issue is so very tired. Apparently your grandma is way ahead of most Laurie. 

@Joan Ginsberg - Perhaps youâ€™re right Joan, but unfortunately I was too distracted by the poor writing, blogger attacks and story line to really get the point of the piece. If the intent was to further the conversation on the issues youâ€™ve raised, it was a miss on all fronts. I really appreciate your thoughts, so thank you.

@Jenn Barnes - First of all, how great was it to see your name here Jenn!! And yes, Lance will likely shrug it off, take the high road and not lose a minute of sleep. Because heâ€™s such an upstanding guy, itâ€™s hard to watch someone take shots at him. Hope youâ€™re well. 

@Debbie Brown - Great quote Debbieâ€¦ â€œInnovation has a need for speed. So does trust. They go hand in hand.â€ Youâ€™ve said it all succinctly so thanks for stopping by.

@Yvan@DiscussHR - In todayâ€™s environment, we have an endless number of choices for content and a short attention span to consume it. And as youâ€™ve stated, we do have a choice, so if weâ€™re not comfortable we are free to choose from hundreds of other sources. Thus, the critical eye should be applied to all media. Great comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More terrific comments. And yes, Iâ€™ll confess I went too far on the â€œold mediaâ€ rant, but you might say I was a little worked up.</p>
<p>@Naomi Bloom &#8211; Both you and Phil touched on that erroneous position that blogs are dead. To the contrary, blogs are alive and well in this industry. (And in complete transparency to other readers, I did not charge you to advertise your new blog in your comment.) </p>
<p>@Steve Boese &#8211; I agree 100% with your point that equal footing requires equal scrutiny. This is why I was quick to call out the â€œfaultsâ€ in WFâ€™s own disclosure. However, this all assumes that readers are being duped to some nefarious end. Iâ€™d like to believe that consumers of content (traditional or otherwise) have a working brain and know how to use it. Kevin Grossman does a great job of describing the marketâ€™s ability to sort this out in his post yesterday (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/nj8dnh" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/nj8dnh</a>). Thanks for the comment Steve.</p>
<p>@Laurie Ruettimann &#8211; The editorial intentions are a bit questionable and the entire issue is so very tired. Apparently your grandma is way ahead of most Laurie. </p>
<p>@Joan Ginsberg &#8211; Perhaps youâ€™re right Joan, but unfortunately I was too distracted by the poor writing, blogger attacks and story line to really get the point of the piece. If the intent was to further the conversation on the issues youâ€™ve raised, it was a miss on all fronts. I really appreciate your thoughts, so thank you.</p>
<p>@Jenn Barnes &#8211; First of all, how great was it to see your name here Jenn!! And yes, Lance will likely shrug it off, take the high road and not lose a minute of sleep. Because heâ€™s such an upstanding guy, itâ€™s hard to watch someone take shots at him. Hope youâ€™re well. </p>
<p>@Debbie Brown &#8211; Great quote Debbieâ€¦ â€œInnovation has a need for speed. So does trust. They go hand in hand.â€ Youâ€™ve said it all succinctly so thanks for stopping by.</p>
<p>@Yvan@DiscussHR &#8211; In todayâ€™s environment, we have an endless number of choices for content and a short attention span to consume it. And as youâ€™ve stated, we do have a choice, so if weâ€™re not comfortable we are free to choose from hundreds of other sources. Thus, the critical eye should be applied to all media. Great comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvan@DiscussHR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvan@DiscussHR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and great discussion Mark. I have been reading HR Blogs and HR Social Medias for few years now and I am also convinced that they are a great source of information. Biaised or unbiaised, this might be the question. But how is this different from other media? Any search today on Google will result in a big amount of information we will have to choose from.  As Jessica said, we should look at blogs with a critical eye the same way we would do it with other media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and great discussion Mark. I have been reading HR Blogs and HR Social Medias for few years now and I am also convinced that they are a great source of information. Biaised or unbiaised, this might be the question. But how is this different from other media? Any search today on Google will result in a big amount of information we will have to choose from.  As Jessica said, we should look at blogs with a critical eye the same way we would do it with other media.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.
As a reader with the intent of staying informed , I appreciate this forum more. Why? It is interactive and quicker. I think that is fantastic. Having a community of expertise and support during these times fits for these times.
In the 24 years that I have participated in the community  I have not given nor received trust more quickly as I have within this environment . It has value. The content is helpful, informative entertaining and appreciated.

Innovation has a need for speed. So does trust. They go hand in hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.<br />
As a reader with the intent of staying informed , I appreciate this forum more. Why? It is interactive and quicker. I think that is fantastic. Having a community of expertise and support during these times fits for these times.<br />
In the 24 years that I have participated in the community  I have not given nor received trust more quickly as I have within this environment . It has value. The content is helpful, informative entertaining and appreciated.</p>
<p>Innovation has a need for speed. So does trust. They go hand in hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WF has done this before, and they will do it again.  Maybe if they started producing some well written &amp; thoughtful posts they wouldn&#039;t have to stoop to thinly veiled jabs at (selective) HR bloggers.

I have $5 that says my friend and Portland neighbor Lance will say he doesn&#039;t feel jabbed at at all and welcomes discourse.  That is because Lance is an honest and straightforward guy with a heck of a lot of class.  WF could take a few lessons from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WF has done this before, and they will do it again.  Maybe if they started producing some well written &amp; thoughtful posts they wouldn&#8217;t have to stoop to thinly veiled jabs at (selective) HR bloggers.</p>
<p>I have $5 that says my friend and Portland neighbor Lance will say he doesn&#8217;t feel jabbed at at all and welcomes discourse.  That is because Lance is an honest and straightforward guy with a heck of a lot of class.  WF could take a few lessons from him.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan E. Ginsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan E. Ginsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Jessica, I think I was wearing a rosier lens than most of you when I read the WF article.  I didn&#039;t see that article as an anti-HR-blogger post.  I saw that article as a(very poorly written) attempt to analyze how HR blogging would fare under the new FTC rules. Did they go look for those HR bloggers who were perhaps most likely to be violative of the new rules?  Of course.  If you are going to discuss the legal implications of a given rule, you don&#039;t look at those groups who are in no position to violate the rule anyway.  Any analysis of a new law means looking at who can get caught breaking it, what behavior is at risk, and how to prevent gettng sued or arrested.

But the article fell down on it&#039;s face because the discussion of the bloggers it mentioned was all over the map and not focused on how or why those bloggers would be in trouble based on the proposed regulations.  I don&#039;t see that as malicious, just untalented.

I disagree with Laurie that it&#039;s too late to be discussing those proposed rules.  They are not finalized yet, and while the time for public comments has passed, it would benefit *all* HR bloggers to know what the rule says, how it affects your blog, and how you may have to change a few things.  Based on my reading of the rule, I don&#039;t think it will have that big of an impact.  But just like new employment rules - be prepared. :-)

I think this is a great discussion; thanks to all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Jessica, I think I was wearing a rosier lens than most of you when I read the WF article.  I didn&#8217;t see that article as an anti-HR-blogger post.  I saw that article as a(very poorly written) attempt to analyze how HR blogging would fare under the new FTC rules. Did they go look for those HR bloggers who were perhaps most likely to be violative of the new rules?  Of course.  If you are going to discuss the legal implications of a given rule, you don&#8217;t look at those groups who are in no position to violate the rule anyway.  Any analysis of a new law means looking at who can get caught breaking it, what behavior is at risk, and how to prevent gettng sued or arrested.</p>
<p>But the article fell down on it&#8217;s face because the discussion of the bloggers it mentioned was all over the map and not focused on how or why those bloggers would be in trouble based on the proposed regulations.  I don&#8217;t see that as malicious, just untalented.</p>
<p>I disagree with Laurie that it&#8217;s too late to be discussing those proposed rules.  They are not finalized yet, and while the time for public comments has passed, it would benefit *all* HR bloggers to know what the rule says, how it affects your blog, and how you may have to change a few things.  Based on my reading of the rule, I don&#8217;t think it will have that big of an impact.  But just like new employment rules &#8211; be prepared. <img src='http://inflexionadvisors.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think this is a great discussion; thanks to all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: laurie ruettimann</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurie ruettimann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Mark.

I think the article is late to the game on the FTC news. My grandmother was talking about this back in July. I also think it&#039;s a careless attempt to capitalize on the growing popularity of HR bloggers. You can hear the discussion around the &lt;i&gt;Workforce&lt;/i&gt; editorial table. &quot;Based on Compete.com data, our traffic is down. Let&#039;s write about bloggers and provoke them. They&#039;ll link back to us and increase our traffic and SEO ranking.&quot;

Barf.

I&#039;m also suspicious of the editorial intentions behind the article. Jessica is right that &lt;i&gt;Workforce&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t hate bloggers. They just cast dispersions on those whom they don&#039;t sponsor. Lame, IMHO. Very lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark.</p>
<p>I think the article is late to the game on the FTC news. My grandmother was talking about this back in July. I also think it&#8217;s a careless attempt to capitalize on the growing popularity of HR bloggers. You can hear the discussion around the <i>Workforce</i> editorial table. &#8220;Based on Compete.com data, our traffic is down. Let&#8217;s write about bloggers and provoke them. They&#8217;ll link back to us and increase our traffic and SEO ranking.&#8221;</p>
<p>Barf.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also suspicious of the editorial intentions behind the article. Jessica is right that <i>Workforce</i> doesn&#8217;t hate bloggers. They just cast dispersions on those whom they don&#8217;t sponsor. Lame, IMHO. Very lame.</p>
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